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Red Hat Drops Consumer Linux, Sponsors Community Led Fedora Project

Red Hat Drops Consumer Linux, Sponsors Community Led Fedora Project

Red Hat Network has shocked many users of its Linux distro by informing them 1) that it will discontinue maintenance on Red Hat Linux 7.x and 8.0 by the end of 2003; 2) that it will discontinue maintenance on Red Hat 9.0 by the end of April, 2004; and 3) that it does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

Here is the full text of an e-mail sent out this morning, courtesy of NewsForge:

Thank you for being a Red Hat Network customer.

This e-mail provides you with important information about the upcoming discontinuation of Red Hat Linux, and resources to assist you with your migration to another Red Hat solution.

As previously communicated, Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0 as of December 31, 2003. Red Hat will discontinue maintenance and errata support for Red Hat Linux 9 as of April 30, 2004. Red Hat does not plan to release another product in the Red Hat Linux line.

With the recent announcement of Red Hat Enterprise Linux v.3, you'll find migrating to Enterprise Linux appealing. We understand that transitioning to another Red Hat solution requires careful planning and implementation. We have created a migration plan for Red Hat Network customers to help make the transition as simple and seamless as possible. Details:

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If you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic before February 28, 2004, you will receive 50% off the price for two years.[*] (That's two years for the price of one.)

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In addition, we have created a Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center to address your migration planning and other questions, such as:

* What are best practices for implementing the migration to Red Hat Enterprise Linux?

* Are there other migration alternatives?

* How do I purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS or ES Basic at the price above?

* What if my paid subscription to RHN extends past April 30, 2004?

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Find out more about your migration options with product comparisons, whitepapers and documentation at the Red Hat Linux Migration Resource Center.

Or read the FAQ written especially for Red Hat Network customers:

Sincerely,

Red Hat, Inc.

[*] Limit 10 units. Higher volume purchase inquiries should contact a regional Red Hat sales representative. Contact numbers available at http://www.redhat.com/solutions/migration/rhl/rhn

--the Red Hat Network Team

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Steve M. 11/08/03 11:40:14 AM EST

Fedora according to redhat is not suitable for production environments thus it is not an acceptable solution to comercial users who have paid subscription fees to redhat.

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 11:32:00 AM EST

Soory for re-sumbit

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 11:30:59 AM EST

TO : Steve M.
So I said,
Open our eyes to look at :
"The Fedora Project" will contribute their effort to Linux society or not.
Keep the eyes to look at. and Not make conclusion now.

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 11:27:59 AM EST

To : Steve M.
So I said,
open our eyes to look at :
"The Fedora Project" will contribute their effort to Linux society or not.
Keep open eyes to look. Not make conclusion now.

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 11:27:53 AM EST

To : Steve M.
So I said,
open our eyes to look at :
"The Fedora Project" will contribute their effort to Linux society or not.
Keep open eyes to look. Not make conclusion now.

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 11:24:47 AM EST

To : Steve M.
So I said,
open our eyes to look at :
"The Fedora Project" will contribute their effort to Linux society or not.

Steve M. 11/08/03 11:15:58 AM EST

Sea Dragon...please don't confuse redhat for linux....

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 11:10:27 AM EST

For "The Fedora Project", I will try it.
Look look they are goog or not. or It is doing bad.

Well, open our eyes to look at :
"The Fedora Project" will contribute their effort to Linux society or not.

Steve M. 11/08/03 11:10:24 AM EST

> Peter Lindstroem commented on 8 November 2003:

> * First of all redhat have the right to do whatever >they like.

No they don't! They have to follow the rules of the countries that they are working in. One rule here in the US is that if you sell a service contract you have to fullfill your obligations or return the money. To do less is a criminal act!

Bait and Sitch is an illegal tactic in which a seller advertises a product with the intention of persuading customers to purchase a more expensive product.

So redhad knowingly sold RH 9 a server capable product and then refusses to provide the full year of service to rh9 instead they say take a lesser capable product enterprise ws or pay more for a server version of enterprise.

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 10:54:00 AM EST

Remember that M$ alway want to break this rule.
Because no software can break M$ monoploy because no good software in later on.

Please think about that why we have Linux.

Life is fun and Happy and no angry.

Cheers

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 10:53:09 AM EST

It said Anyone is free at any time to fork this project, to go off and build their own distribution based on Fedora Core, just as many people have built distributions based on Red Hat Linux in the past.
For my point of view, I don't know that it is right and wrong. Because anyone can use Fedora Core to build their own distributed version. Such as his past. I find that many Chinese distribute version is based on RedHat.

I am not doing business but I think :
If no one get first who can benifit in later in Linux Society.
Such as mysql, it is free for use with doing business on the same time. Are we not use mysql? What sql software we can use?
Such as KDE and Gnome. If no one throw the new software for test how come we will get the stable version in later on. And evryone can benifit except M$.
M$ alway want to break this rule.
If everyone think that xxxx software will use software to earn moeny, so I don't use it. Well, we don't have Linux and all of good software.

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 10:50:46 AM EST

or marcus said, I don't know that he is right or wrong.

But I find some docs from Fedora in the bellowing :
"http://fedora.redhat.com/about/objectives.html"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Anyone is free at any time to fork this project, to go off and build their own distribution based on Fedora Core, just as many people have built distributions based on Red Hat Linux in the past. For Red Hat to participate in this project, Red Hat's own goals have to be met by the project. This doesn't mean that other goals cannot be met as well (except where they explicitly conflict with Red Hat's own critical goals), but the goals that Red Hat expresses define our "contract" with developers and users of Fedora Core.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 10:48:57 AM EST

AAbout "The Fedora Project", I will try and install later on. I am not doing business. I am a IT professional and want to learn and see something in Linux.

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 10:05:11 AM EST

Cut suuport is not good but still happen.
Never want to heard but still heard sometime.

When happen and heard, I only want to do two things.
Think about what impact they give. just find,
- Support can be localizge by joining local linux news group, still find expert help from them (I am doing now, too helpful, just post, discuss and get. I am using RH9)
- Search in google.com. It is good search engine, still find related information for the issue in everywhere Linux news group. Still helpful

For the skill set,
Improve my problem solving skill (really want to learn), puch me become Linux solution provider/expert in later on.

For the emotion,
Angry cannot make me the solution, it only let me easy to make the wrong decision and do the wrong thing.

For me only,
Only want a fun & happy but not easy.
But still want to choose fun and happy because life is fun and happy. :)

Cheers

marcus 11/08/03 09:59:27 AM EST

'etc' asks "M$ server products are swiss cheese as far as security goes, and they've NEVER been free. So how come they still get paying customers?" Customers pay because they don't really have a choice if they choose to stick with Microsoft. Does 'etc' have the source code to Win2K3 or IIS? 'Cause I sure don't.

I don't think anyone is arguing against a contract-supported enterprise version of RedHat, and 'etc' is right to point out that many corporate accounts want/need that kind of support. But there are a lot of small businesses out there that don't need that kind of support, and rely on local expertise instead.

Quoting from the Fedora site: "The Fedora Project is a Red-Hat sponsered and community supported open source project. It is also a proving groung for new technology that may eventually make its way into Red Hat products. It is not a supported product of Red Hat, inc." Hmmm. To me, this says that RedHat intends to throw out new technologies in Fedora, let all of us (the open source community) debug and improve the software as has been our tradition, then when it's 'proven', incorporate it into their Red Hat products and charge us (the open source community) money for them. Somehow that doesn't sit right with me.

Peter Lindstroem 11/08/03 09:18:22 AM EST

Sorry about that, cut and paste apparently is beyond me :(

Peter Lindstroem 11/08/03 09:17:08 AM EST

First of all redhat have the right to do whatever they like.

However !!!!
- They have allways been supported by us, the users who have sent bug reports, given support to many linux newbies, all of that. Now they change a very vital part of their policy.

- I have installed RH9.0 for clients in the last year, now I have to go tell them to spent money to upgrade to enterprice editions or go with fedora which MIGHT be a good distribution but can we really be sure ???

Is this reasonable ???

First of all redhat have the right to do whatever they like.

However !!!!
- They have allways been supported by us, the users who have sent bug reports, given support to many linux newbies, all of that. Now they change a very vital part of their policy.

- I have installed RH9.0 for clients in the last year, now I have to go tell them to spent money to upgrade to enterprice editions or go with fedora which MIGHT be a good distribution but can we really be sure ???

- Some people/companies have bought support for redhat 9 which to my understanding is running longer than april 2004, now this contract is cancelled ????

Is this reasonable ???

My current personal view of all this is that redhat behaves as many companies that grow too big and think they don't have to 'behave' anymore.

I now have to go to my clients and find a solution and I might just take the next two weeks of to find another linux distribution. I don't feel I can support a company which does not appreciate me and apparently does not support a OS distrubution much less than a year after it is sold.

I am not a very happy guy at the moment.

Sea Dragon 11/08/03 06:17:20 AM EST

Well, sound is good.
May be topic is mis-leading.

So I said,
The best is "Only do somthing that I actually need. Not because of others". It is right

Sometime people not easy to justify what is right and what is wrong. Such as this topic.

Well, if I do something based on this topic, it is so interesting that. I am so busy and busy and busy to change by my server from here to there and do many and many. Well, it is too bad. :(

I only busy to my job as I need. Not because of others. Becareful.

etc. 11/08/03 02:31:08 AM EST

First - the title of this article seems to be deliberately misleading. ' ..drop linux'?? What kind of garbage is this? 'Enterprise' Linux is still Linux isn't it?

Red Hat seems to be taking a stab at focussing their business on developing a commercial enterprise class version of Linux. What the heck is so wrong with that?

Do you need a set of value added features (security, clustering etc.)?
If you're running mission critical applications on Linux, would you rest easier knowing that your platform vendor backs up their product with a standard service level agreement? And that you are entitled to a certain level of service because you paid for it and your vendor is legally bound by those agreements?
If you're running a business critical application or data driven website on Linux, would you rather be running a database that is commercially certified on your Linux platform?
In a situation where one of your business critical applications goes down or slows to a crawl because its hit an issue rooted in the OS, would you be comfortable posting requests on public email list for assistance, or would you rather pick up the phone and log a service request?

M$ server products are swiss cheese as far as security goes, and they've NEVER been free. So how come they still get paying customers? Corporations *will* play for enterprise features, so long as its backed with industry standard SLAs. At this point, Red Hat is one of the only Linux vendor putting some accountability behind a enterprise class distribution. Yes, there is always a premium with that. Those who want Linux in the enterprise, and want their Linux vendor to be accountable to *some* extent, will be willing to pay that premium for it because its well worth it.

Sure Red Hat could and maybe should have taken a more graceful approach to obsoleting their current RHL line .. but what the heck, other software vendors have been and continue to do much worse with their customer base, and are none the worse for it.
\

Walt R. 11/08/03 01:08:19 AM EST

I suppose the Fedora project hat will be Brown like POOP. So, this is how RedHat repays all of their loyal customers. I think it is time for an upgrade to Slackware.

Walt R.

Steve M. 11/07/03 06:17:34 PM EST

Grover Righter is correct. Replacing RH9 with Enterprise WS is not acceptable if you have been using RH9 for servers. I believe that having sold us RH9 and RedHat Network for $60.00 that Redhat must support RH9 until their last licence has expired, upgrade RH9 users to an equal or better product or RedHat must refund at a prorated amount the payed Redhat Network subscription fee.

To have sold a service and not fullfill their obligations and then try to weasle out of their obligations by offering a less capable product might be a criminal act. A form of bait and switch so to sepak.

marcus 11/07/03 05:05:21 PM EST

Just to further Dan Haskell's last point: He's right. And what's the 1st thing many of us do (did?) when a new version of RH comes out? We download/install and begin the process of learning the in's and out's of the new release. In doing so we BECOME the 'pool' of potential employees with RH experience that employers eventually hire. We BECOME the pool of RH guru's that give feedback to RH to improve their products. Few of us (at least in my circle of friends) get paid for this. How is this going to happen now? Are we really going to pay for each new release on top of contributing our unpaid time? I have no problem with RedHat charging corporate clients for support, but there needs to be some mechanism whereby individuals can learn the new releases, otherwise there won't be anybody around who knows and can support RedHat. Ahh, but of course! As I write these words, it now becomes clear to me: RedHat doesn't WANT the us knowing and supporting their products. They want to sell the support services to corporate clients themselves.

Sea Dragon 11/07/03 12:43:34 PM EST

Cut suuport is not only on Linux. Also happen in M$. and some other Software company. Anyway it is not good but still happen.

I think if my server is stable and no need to change, then I just keep it no change.

For my point of view, sometime, it is so tired, if someone do somthing that I make the recation on that changing. It is not good.
The best is "Only do somthing that I actually need. Not because of others"

I think I will try to install fedora and play play. Look look it is better or not. Or it is no use. :)

"Make fun everyday in your life"

Cheers

MKeehn 11/07/03 12:33:49 PM EST

What glazes my eyes the most is that the new Enterprise fees are "annual". Using the $800 figure provided by Grover Righter, I am theoretically facing $4K in OS costs for a new server that I am installing on a 5 year replacement cycle. Red Hat is going to be a harder sell for many IT professionals.

JoeD 11/07/03 11:48:40 AM EST

To the defeinder of red hat

IMHO This is not a bogus headline.

RH just cut off a whole segment of the the people who made their business. Any one who downloaded the ISO image of RH Linux and used it as a stalking horse for getting funding based on what works now has to do a soun and a dance to get the $800.00 necessary to bring up the OS to prove their point.

RH will no longer have the people who may not have payed for RH but who did talk it up to those who did.

Frankly, we all saw this coming for some time. I just cant beloeve that RH would make such a draconian cutoff.

BTW the Fedora project is bogus because it doesnt answer the needs of the tire kickers who need a stable non bleading edge linux distribution and dont mind or can live with paying the price of non support that comes with free - This was the tradition of all commercial Linux distributions.

Red HAt has decided that it is now big enough that it doesnt need these people any more.

We'll see about that..

Michael Lee 11/07/03 03:21:50 AM EST

Redhat and Fedora will disappear from people's memory soon.
Don't borther to even talk about them...
Try something like Debian :-)

kevin li 11/06/03 11:32:53 PM EST

I am installing fedora. It's just looks great!

Dan Haskell 11/06/03 08:47:27 PM EST

Bob, you did not buy the equivalent of CP/M! RH9 is a full bore version of Linux and there are a lot of people out there who can help you with it. Look to see if there is a Linux Users Group in your area - I'm sure they will be happy to help you get started.

IMHO, this change is going to damage RedHat's bottom line more than it will hurt end users. A lot of RedHat's sales have started with when a geek in IT brought in the free version. Now the geek is going to have to convince purchasing he needs RedHat before he can show them what it can do. :(

Bob 11/06/03 08:23:46 PM EST

And to think that I went to my local retailer and bought Red Hat Linux 9 Personal two days before this announcement.

I have no Linux experience. I bought this to load it on a computer and try it out. Now, I feel I bought CP/M when DOS was just released.

G. Veiga 11/06/03 01:34:26 PM EST

Bogus Headline?

For sure. But that's what is stated in RH e-mail to users registered in RHN. To some people it might indeed look like RH is getting out of the Linux business.

IMHO, RH is playing with fire. At least in the USA, they are almost a synonym for Linux. All thanks to the free distro!

How many software companies have books on their their product available in every bookstore in the country? Are they really giving up on all this exposure?

Grover Righter 11/06/03 01:29:09 PM EST

Scott Purcell is correct that RH does have other offerings. I did not do a complete explanation, but here is more info. I am trying to be objective, not alarmist on this topic.

I homed in on the $800 product because it is the cheapest 'server' that offers both CD distribution and the ability to get errata.

Problems with the other offerings:
RH Professional WS -- about $100
When I examined this product before, it did not have complete support for Apache, MySQL, and several standard server-side tools. If this has changed, fine, but in other comments to the press, RH has indicated that these product will not have access to online errata and security patches.

RHEL WS -- $180
This following is copied exactly from the RH Web Site for this product: "Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS does not include a number of server applications found in Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS and Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES." It would be nice if they said WHICH 'server' tools, but I think I know.

RHEL ES (Basic)-- $350
No CDs. This is the download only product and I was looking for a CD based distribution. From the RH Web Site: "Available via download only". Frankly, if I am going to burn my own ISO CDs (which is a pain when I must download over DSL), I might as well switch to a completely free product. Am I the only person left who prefers CDs to downloading 1.5 GB and burning my own ? :-)

I have gone down this whole path before three years ago. I bought the standard $39 (then) RH distro to get the CDs. It was missing a lot of tools I needed, so I bought the more complete 'RH Linux' which was about $150 at that time. I started doing this with RH 6.x. The last time I bought the complete RH Linux product, it was $179 on CDs and cost $60 per-server-per-year to enable RHN for over-the-net patches and updates. I did this because their public ftp server is always over loaded and I was getting 'no connections' when trying to update by hand using ftp.

I ended up being willing to pay $179 every 16 months (or so) for the release and $60 per server-per-year. Happy I was not; willing I was.

When I read the news, I thought it was bogus as well. So I went to the RH site and discovered that the product I have been buying is already gone. RH Linux 9.0 is not avaialble for purchase. I then carefully read the descriptions of the new product list and determined that in order to get the same product, I would need to pay $800.

Brad Guzules 11/06/03 03:35:51 AM EST

Gee. Sun's entry level Solaris and Linux offerings just got a little more attractive.

DavePatrik 11/05/03 11:00:17 PM EST

Bogus Headline ! FUDmongers !
What do you suppose the RedHad will sell ? Chopped liver ?
NO ! Linux for server and enterprise !
MAN, who let that **** past the door ?
They will also be the main contributor to the free version; Fedora

Vishwas 11/05/03 07:02:05 PM EST

I had scented RedHat's intentions after 7.3 release. I feel as soon as the Interface of a OS becomes funky it becomes greedy and lose ethical grounds, sense of responsibility etc. Anyway am not one of the going to be affected, I had shifted to GNU/Debian Linux after RedHat's 7.3 release. Now I don't have any respect for RedHat.
Hasta La Vista.

Harimohan 11/05/03 02:12:00 PM EST

Consumer side Red Hat Product was supported and appreciated by lot of US customers/companies. But now, one heavy weight competitor to M$ in Desktop Arena is gone.

Well if one leaves, others enter. I am sure that very few will miss RedHat.

Glad to say that I stayed away from Red Hat from very start. This may make SuSE and Mandrake as Top Linux vendors for the non-enterprise user like me. Happy to say that I switched from RedHat to SuSE (6.x 7.x,8.x,9.0) very early (after RedHat 5.x).

I may not trust these type of companies any more. Good thought will be to try out Debian/BSD too.

I hope SuSE, if acquired by Novell, does not do the same.

Best of Luck to RedHat.

Cheers.

disgruntledProfessor 11/05/03 10:22:49 AM EST

I think RedHat seriously under estimates the good that comes from the 'free' versions of thier software. I teach at a college, and to keep costs down for our department and for students, we use Linux. We can not spend $300 a pop for RH enterprise products - even if were motivated to do so. As a result, our future graduates will be trained on some other distro, and I think it likely those students will use and push for non-RH products when they enter workplace. Dumb move RH!

Scott Purcell 11/05/03 10:10:20 AM EST

What a FUD-filled headline! Redhat is not about to "Drop Linux", they are just changing the ways that they offer and contribute to it. They will continue to contribute to a free distribution of Linux (now Fedora) and they will continue to provide an Enterprise-level distribution (RHEL) in several versions.
Grover Righter's comment about having to spend $800 ignores Redhat's other offerings:
RH Professional Workstation -- about $100 (available from resellers)
RHEL WS -- $180
RHEL ES -- $350

Come on, Editors! Check out your story before you write the headline!

Grover Righter 11/05/03 12:39:58 AM EST

For those of us who adopted RH in order to obtain a commercial grade Linux distro at a reasonable price, Fedora is -not- a replacement. I will investigate SuSE in order to see if they have a product that will do.
- I can't go 'up' to the $800 version because it breaks the cost equation (heck, I just built a server for less than $800).
- I am not going 'down' to the ad hoc support model for Fedora.
- As stated previously, I have chosen to go 'sideways' to FreeBSD. So far - so good.

As for those who tell me to "download the ISO binaries" and "get an O'Reilly book" to learn how to write shell scripts to replace up2date:
1) It takes more than 4 hours to download the binaries over fast DSL. I guess many people do this at work.
2) I -do- write shell scripts (I prefer bash) and have done so for 25 years 'thank you'. Replacing up2date and similar distro tools is -not- shell scripting. It requires too much information regarding dependencies, etc. In addition, the tools would need to make too many decisions to discriminate between i386 kernels and i686 kernels, etc.

The fact remains that RH Linux users are being orphaned by the 'leader' in Linux. I find it hard to believe they were not making money from a crowd paying $179 every 16 months and $60-per-server-per-year.

silvercat 11/04/03 08:54:18 PM EST

Now I am convinced the way to go is FreeBSD and CVS update ... get it fresh from the source and not a precompiled RPM

Jim 11/04/03 03:33:48 PM EST

Don't forget, Novell is buying out SUSE.

Lee Mehlhorn 11/04/03 01:28:27 PM EST

Redhat has always been a good supporter of linux. It seems like the right thing for them to do if they are to survive in the long run. Enterprise Linux has been good to them thus far, I believe that will continue. Compare the costs of getting Enterprise support on Windoze vs Enterprise Linux and you'll find it's a very viable option for corporations. I know it's one my company will be soon migrating too.

RedHat hasn't given up on the community, after all they support the Fedora project. I'll continue to support RedHat Linux, Fedora and numerous other open source projects.

Jim West 11/04/03 10:56:59 AM EST

For several years, I have been a loyal RedHat customer. I have installed and bought every RedHat version from 5.1 to 9.0. I am not familiar with Fedora and do not know exactly how it will work. My first impression is very disappointed. RedHat became sucessful with it's current customer base and business model, and now it appears RedHat is abandoning the vast majority of customers that made RedHat successful. This is a bold move into a very uncertain future. It is one thing to spend $40 for a new RedHat set of CDs every few months, but no way am I spending $300 plus for a copy of Redhat every few months. It will be interesting to see if Redhat's new business model works, because they just created a great market for Suse and Caldera.

George Navas 11/04/03 09:42:54 AM EST

Unfourtunately RedHat decided to get greedy and charge
for the enterprise editions on a yearly subscription basis.
Now all of a sudden Linux does not look as attractive to
IT managers that are contemplating swithing from a
Microsoft world to Linux. It would be interesting to see if
SUSE or perhaps Solaris popularity increases.

Other items that come to mind are would Oracle support
fedora releases or do they just support the enterprise
redhat releases. For IT managers perhaps just going with
Solaris would be a better choice.

Claude Beazley 11/04/03 08:15:19 AM EST

t's not a big deal. Red Hat isn't dropping Linux, they're just dropping free support and no longer maintaining their old distro's.

They'll still be selling Linux with support as a solution. As long as they don't try and stiff the GPL by withholding source code from
their customers or stopping them from freely copying/distributing the software, it's perfectly ok.

In many ways it sounds like a very good idea. They can concentrate all their expertise in one area and provide a much better service to their paying customers.

The service model is prolly the best long term strategy to make money out of Open Source.

If Red Hat start screwing their customers, their clients can still take the Red Hat source code to another company and ask the competitor to provide support.

That's part of the beauty of GPL.

Jim Anderson 11/04/03 07:21:18 AM EST

the headline is quite misleading. RedHat is not dropping Linux, just support for their standard RH Linux OSes. However, the effect is that all those functioning RH 7.x, 8.x, and 9.0 servers will lose RH support. It's their right to do what they want with their product but stiffing non-enterprise users just seems shortsighted to me. Basically it says we're not worried about leaving our customers in a lurch. Heck, even Microsoft supports their products for extended periods after end of life. Doing this makes it much harder to push for Linux over Windows. Wasn't there enough uncertainty created in the Linux market earlier this year by SCO?

Lawrence Strydom 11/04/03 05:24:04 AM EST

IMHO RedHat Linux has adopted a business model up to now assosciated with the boys in Redmond.
The concept is realy simple. Find a good, free product, market it agressively, build your brandname and get a lot of people to depend on it. Along the way develop a certification program to create a pool of support people exclusively quallified on your product. Once you have enough people roped in, start charging an arm and a leg for services, support and upgrades and forget about the people who made it possible in the first place. The mighty Dollar talked and RH listened.

Vitaly Karasik 11/04/03 02:36:41 AM EST

In fact, it's VERY old news - RH published theirs end-of-life policy about half year ago....

Vitaly Karasik, RHCE

Steve Wolfe 11/04/03 01:46:19 AM EST

It caught several people by surprise that Red Hat is dropping rpm support for RH8 and below in Dec 2003 and RH9 in April 2004.

This can and will catch several people by surprise who can still buy RH 8 and RH 9 pre-installed from major vendors. (It caught me by surprise, and several people that I know) The support window for existing Red Hat is very short and is difficult to find on the Red Hat web site.

One can read of major RedHat rollouts on RH 7.3 just this year.

I personally feel that downloadable and personal Red Hat linux has helped drive sales for the enterprise versions. Only time will tell if this is true and will continue to be true.

Red Hat is NOT supporting fedora, not like they supported Red Hat 9 and earlier versions, and the details are out at the Red Hat and Fedora site.

Jay Lee 11/03/03 08:56:32 PM EST

To expand upon my earlier post, Fedora's site is:

http://fedora.redhat.com

Beta 3 is out and 1.0 will be out RSN (was supposed to be today 11/3 but last minute bugs to squash). I'm using Beta 3 with all the latest updates (should be pretty close to final) and it is sweet! Some nice improvements over RH9, nothing major but I like it, Gnome 2.4 has finally convinced me to switch from KDE, it's much more consistent in my opinion and not quite so bloated (although opening even simple programs like a shell or VNCViewer still takes to long to load, it should be instant!) But anyways, Fedora looks like it's on it's way to being a great distribution and I look forward to seeing what happens in the next 6 months

ashishk 11/03/03 08:56:02 PM EST

That's because the Fedora Project is mentioned in the adjoining article: http://www.linuxworld.com/story/37813.htm

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